MIXING & EFFECTS. Fruity Phase Inverter. Fruity Phase Inverter inverts the phase of either the left or right channel. NOTE: Be careful as L/R phase inverted channels will cancel each other if the output is converted to mono. The point is, that one doesn't work in FL Studio either. Are you saying there might be a way to reverse the polarity via the keyboard's settings instead of using the switch on the pedal? EDIT: @reflex, does FL Studio not support this particular brand/model of keyboard? That said, the audible effect of this polarity reversal is the same as you get with phase cancellation. The easiest way to check your speakers is to sum your mix to mono (more on this later). Many stereos and most mixing consoles allow you to do this, but even in stereo, there are some telltale signs of phase problems. In this, you work with reverse polarity fl studio, where the switching of the left audio channel with the right to you achieve the inverting phase. A few tweaks here and there, and you will perform removal of the vocals from any track leaving just the mix of instruments in a song.
| When recording midi using Presence, the piano sounds great and the sustain pedal works as expected. But when I play back the recorded midi, the sustain pedal doesn't work properly. I see that the sustain pedal was recorded. But it has a value of 1 when the pedal is not engaged and a value of 0 when it is engaged. It seems that when the pedal is engaged, it is cutting off the sustain rather than sustaining the note. Any ideas on how to reverse the polarity of the recorded sustain? I cannot reverse the polarity of the sustain pedal itself because then when the keyboardist is playing, all of his notes sustain until he presses the sustain pedal. Win 10 64-bit, 4 Core i7 @ 2.80GHz: 16Gb DDR4 SDRAM, Audiobox USB, Studio One 3.5 Pro 64-Bit (purchased Feb 18, 2018, 1 month before the grace period..) StudioLogic numa compact 2 keyboard, Nektar sustain pedal. |
| Please update your signature to include your keyboard & pedal information. Check this video out to see how it compares to your settings: https://youtu.be/DKgmfCFIBEY Please add your specs to your SIGNATURE. Download the STUDIO ONE 5 PDF MANUAL. Access your MY.PRESONUS account. OVERVIEW of how to get your issue fixed or the steps to create a SUPPORT TICKET. Needs to include: 1) One Sentence Description 2) Expected Results 3) Actual Results 4) Steps to Reproduce. Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (20H2), Studio One 5.1.1 Pro | Notion 6.8 | Universal Control v3.4.0.61835 Dell Inspiron 17 5770 (Intel Core i7-8550U 1.8 GHz, 4GB AMD Radeon 530 Graphics, 16GB RAM, Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SSD StudioLive Series III 32 v2.4.17466 |
| Thanks for the reply Trucky. The filters are all turned off and the sustain pedal midi is being recorded. I tried using the 'delete short notes' command, and it does help in some cases, but in other cases, the keyboardist is playing notes that are getting deleted by that delete short notes command. So rather than fixing the sustain issue in general, it only works if the keyboardist is playing notes longer than the threshold set for the delete short notes command. So, the sustain still isn't working. Win 10 64-bit, 4 Core i7 @ 2.80GHz: 16Gb DDR4 SDRAM, Audiobox USB, Studio One 3.5 Pro 64-Bit (purchased Feb 18, 2018, 1 month before the grace period..) StudioLogic numa compact 2 keyboard, Nektar sustain pedal. |
| Hi donaldfincher, Did you ever figure this one out? I'm in the same situation. I don't have any options checked and when I record the sustain pedal works fine, but on playback everything is the opposite. Running the most current version of Studio One 4. Computer: 2016 Macbook Pro 15' -- 2.9 GHz Intel Core i7 -- 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 -- 2TB SSD DAC: UAD Arrow Midi Keyboard: M-Audio Keystation 88es + Neewer sustain pedal with polarity switch |
| I ended up buying a new sustain pedal which gave you the option of reversing the 'polarity' and that has worked - inexpensive if annoying. Please note that I may express opinions that are different from yours but I do not intend to cause offence. ____________ iMac 27' 3.3 GHz Intel Core i5, 32 GB Ram, Mojave OS 10.14.6, 64 bit, Studio One 5 Professional (always the latest) , Reason 11, Melodyne 5 Editor, Digital Performer 10, Korg Legacy Wavestation and M1, Arturia minimoog V, Helix Native 1.93, Bias FX 2 Elite, Superior Drummer 3, EZkeys, EZbass, Alesis Q49, Audient iD14, Faderport 2018,Gibson Les Paul Standard, James Tyler Variax JTV-59 and other gear. |
| I'm interested in this as well, just got a pedal for my Novation Launchkey, will try out tomorrow morning and report back findings. Gary, I think your referring to a different problem, one that I also had. The issue of using the correct polarity pedal with the keyboard. If you use the wrong one, then when you put you foot down it won't sustain but when you take your foot off, it sustains. I too ended up getting a dual polarity switchable pedal to use with my current keyboard and to cover me for any other that I buy. I think Iragoldstein is referring to a situation whereby the pedal is the correct polarity with the keyboard and works fine with that. It will also record ok but when the track is played back, studio one is somehow inverting the sustain info or recording different info to begin with that reverses the sustain information on the automation track during playback. OS: Win 7, 64 bit. MB: ASUS P8Z77-V LE PLUS. CPU: Intel 3.4ghz, i5-3570, LGA1155. RAM: 8g DDR3 1333Mhz. 1 X SSD (OS) 2 X 7200 HDD (Recording/Samples). Steinberg UR44, Nektar Impact LX61. KRK Rokit 4 G3. S1 Pro V3.5.6. NI Komplete Ultimate 10. |
| Understood - not had that problem. Please note that I may express opinions that are different from yours but I do not intend to cause offence. ____________ iMac 27' 3.3 GHz Intel Core i5, 32 GB Ram, Mojave OS 10.14.6, 64 bit, Studio One 5 Professional (always the latest) , Reason 11, Melodyne 5 Editor, Digital Performer 10, Korg Legacy Wavestation and M1, Arturia minimoog V, Helix Native 1.93, Bias FX 2 Elite, Superior Drummer 3, EZkeys, EZbass, Alesis Q49, Audient iD14, Faderport 2018,Gibson Les Paul Standard, James Tyler Variax JTV-59 and other gear. |
| I had a look at this today. I started up and used a stand alone VST piano to test the new sustain pedal with my keyboard, everything ok, the pedal sustains when pushed down and ceases when returning to up position, no need to switch polarity on the pedal. Had a bit of a jam, everything working ok. Start up Mixcraft pro 8. Recorded and played back an Acoustica piano instrument, everything worked as expected, sustain pedal records and plays back as expected. Did the same with a Kontakt piano, Alicias keys, again no problems, everything works as expected. My Novation Launchkey keyboard and the generic sustain pedal are working as expected with standalone VST instruments and also inside a DAW (Mixcraft) when playing, recording and playing back recorded content. Started up Studio One and opened a small project I am working on. Inserted Instrument track, put a Kontakt instrument (Alecia's keys) on the track and had a quick jam with the other instruments. Keyboard and sustain pedal works as expected. Recorded a passage using the sustain pedal. Passage recorded and played back as expected, sustain pedal working as expected. Everything recorded and played back without issue, unable to replicate the sustain pedal problem indicated in this thread with version 3.5.2.44603. Thought I would update my version of Studio One and retest. Now on version 3.5.6.46910 Everything working as expected, tried some presence instruments as well. All record and playback sustain as supposed to. Unable to replicate the sustain problem indicated in this thread. Everything worked as it should straight away without any changing of settings. Unable to test version 4 as I don't have that version. OS: Win 7, 64 bit. MB: ASUS P8Z77-V LE PLUS. CPU: Intel 3.4ghz, i5-3570, LGA1155. RAM: 8g DDR3 1333Mhz. 1 X SSD (OS) 2 X 7200 HDD (Recording/Samples). Steinberg UR44, Nektar Impact LX61. KRK Rokit 4 G3. S1 Pro V3.5.6. NI Komplete Ultimate 10. |
| Just out of interest I am connected to my computer via a 5 pin MIDI OUT signal being generated from my controller and feeding into a midi interface on its own private USB port. (PCI Based) With USB only in the case of the Novation controller can you check to see what else is going on with the USB port. What else is connected there. This may be a USB port related issue only as well. The sustain message is being flipped for some reason. It never happens over midi. Please add your specs to your SIGNATURE. Search the STUDIO ONE 4 ONLINE MANUAL. Access your MY.PRESONUS account. OVERVIEW of how to get your issue fixed or the steps to create a SUPPORT TICKET. Needs to include: 1) One Sentence Description 2) Expected Results 3) Actual Results 4) Steps to Reproduce. Specs i5-2500K 3.5 Ghz-8 Gb RAM-Win 7 64 bit - ATI Radeon HD6900 Series - RME HDSP9632 - Midex 8 Midi interface - Faderport 2/8 - Atom Pad- iMac 2.5Ghz Core i5 - High Sierra 10.13.6 - Focusrite Clarett 2 Pre & Scarlett 18i20. Studio One V5.1 (Mac), Notion 6.7, Ableton Live 10 Suite, LaunchPad Pro |
| Are you referring to my novation Jemusic? I don't have a problem with the sustain issue, just trying to replicate the problem unsuccessfully. Regarding which USB input I use with the keyboard, it gets whatever is available wherever on the computer, USB 3.0 or 2.0 back or front. I find it always works without problem regardless of which USB port I use and whatever is on that same bus. OS: Win 7, 64 bit. MB: ASUS P8Z77-V LE PLUS. CPU: Intel 3.4ghz, i5-3570, LGA1155. RAM: 8g DDR3 1333Mhz. 1 X SSD (OS) 2 X 7200 HDD (Recording/Samples). Steinberg UR44, Nektar Impact LX61. KRK Rokit 4 G3. S1 Pro V3.5.6. NI Komplete Ultimate 10. |
| Here's something to try: Some keyboards revert their pedal input on/off response depending on if the pedal is plugged in before or after the keyboard is powered up. So try flipping the pedal's on/off switch and change your pedal plug-in/power up routine. That may get the pedal to work OK both for S1 and for the keyboard. |
| SwitchBack wroteHere's something to try: This is very good advice. I have seen some very strange behaviour in terms of plugging in sustain pedals either before or after powering up. In terms of their own behaviour and what is being sent to a DAW. (with Yamaha and Nord synths especially) Although I would imagine in many cases the sustain pedal has not been removed for some time. If the sustain pedal has been plugged in for a while, it might be good to pull it out, power up and down and then repatch pedal back in. Maybe clean plug and spray some contact cleaner in the socket etc. Sometimes when plugs are not touched for a long time, a form of corrosion builds between the contacts and could send misleading information. The internal sound engine of a keyboard may be getting the right message but the message being sent over USB may be different and corrupted for some reason. Please add your specs to your SIGNATURE. Search the STUDIO ONE 4 ONLINE MANUAL. Access your MY.PRESONUS account. OVERVIEW of how to get your issue fixed or the steps to create a SUPPORT TICKET. Needs to include: 1) One Sentence Description 2) Expected Results 3) Actual Results 4) Steps to Reproduce. Specs i5-2500K 3.5 Ghz-8 Gb RAM-Win 7 64 bit - ATI Radeon HD6900 Series - RME HDSP9632 - Midex 8 Midi interface - Faderport 2/8 - Atom Pad- iMac 2.5Ghz Core i5 - High Sierra 10.13.6 - Focusrite Clarett 2 Pre & Scarlett 18i20. Studio One V5.1 (Mac), Notion 6.7, Ableton Live 10 Suite, LaunchPad Pro |
| tezza wroteI'm interested in this as well, just got a pedal for my Novation Launchkey, will try out tomorrow morning and report back findings. Thanks. I believe my polarity was reversed also. Didn't even know that was a thing. I had sustain after I lifted my foot, but not while my foot was on the pedal. Steve_382 - Presonus Studio 68c, Studio One Artist 4, Roland A-800 Pro keyboard, plus various guitar stuff. Complete beginner on DAW software and not much better as a musician, but I really enjoy it. |
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If you've been listening electronic music at least to some extent, I'm quite sure you have heard a reverse reverb effect in a form or another. Basically, it's a reverb effect with a quite long decay turned backwards and it usually appears just before vocals or melody riff. It's a nice trick that can be used – for example – preparing the listener to the introduction of a new sound, melody or vocals in the mix. And it sounds COOL when used right.
This tutorial will show you two slightly different reverse reverb methods in FL Studio. I'm also sharing FL Studio project files for this tutorial. You can download them at the bottom of this article.
Now to the tutorial. First, method one.
Begin by dropping a vocal sample into the FL Studio Playlist and assign the sample to a free mixer track. It can be a melody sample or effect sample or whatever, but I'm using vocal sample in this tutorial:
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Open the Mixer and load a Fruity Reeverb 2 to the vocal sample fx slot:
In the Fruity Reeverb 2, load a preset called 'Large Hall'. Reverb with a long decay and no damping works well in situation like this.
Tweak the 'Large Hall' settings as follows:
- Adjust the Decay to something like 4.0 – 6.0 sec or even more.
- Set the Damping OFF.
- Set the (H.CUT) High cut to OFF as well.
- Set the Predelay to 0 ms.
Of course you can use your own settings as well, but I've found something along the aforementioned working pretty well.
Now, set the Fruity Reeverbs Dry level to 50%. This drops the input signal of the vocal sample to a half, but leaves the actual reverb signal there as it's full level. This is exactly what we wan't as we are going to render it to WAV, import it back to FL Studio, reverse it and mix it with the original vocal sample and in a special situation like this we wan't the DRY signal of the reverberation to be only slightly audible, but the reverbed signal to be normal as it is going to be mixed with another dry signal.
This is how it sounds:
Now, double click the vocal sample to open the channel settings and REVERSE it:
This is how it sounds now:
Next, record the reversed and reverbed vocal sample to a WAV file by making a selection in the Playlist view. The recorded WAV file will be as long as the selection is and this will make sure that the 'tail' of the reverb will be recorded to WAV:
Arm the mixer track of the vocal sample for disk recording and choose a folder where you wan't the WAV to be recorded:
Enable the Auto-create audio clip -function via Mixer options (enabled by default). This setting will import the rendered WAV back to Playlist automatically when you're in Song mode (enable the Song mode via Transport Panel):
Press ALT+R and click Start to start the rendering. After it's complete, the rendered WAV will be imported to a Playlist:
(Assign the imported reverse reverbed sample to an empty mixer track as later on you need to balance it's levels with the original vocal sample to make them play nicely together).
Now, double click the original vocal sample to open it's channel settings and DISABLE the reversing to make it sound normal again. Also, go to it's mixer channel and open the Fruity Reeverb 2 and raise the Dry level to 100% and set the mix level of the Fruity Reeverb 2 (in the fx slot) to something like 20%. We wan't to leave a little bit of reverb to the original vocal sample as well to make it blend better with the reverse reverbed sample:
Next, reverse the reverse reverbed sample (hehe):
Okay. Now you need to position the samples for smooth transition. This is a bit of a meticulous task, but very important to make it sound right. Disable snapping by holding down ALT while you drag the samples in the Playlist.Line up the reverse reverbed sample with the original vocal sample in a way that the reverse reverbed sample LEADS to the original vocal sample. The reverse reverbed sample should be positioned in a way that the words or syllables stop just before the corresponding words or syllables start in the original sample that is played forward. This will make that 'sucking' effect if you know what I mean.
Now, balance the volume levels between the two samples to make them play nicely together:
If you wan't, you can cut and delete the spare sample material:
And create a volume automation for controlling the volume behavior of the reverse reverbed sample:
Okay. That's it, and this is how it sounds:
This was the first method. Now I'm going to show you the second method.
Start a new project, and again, drop a sample (same vocal sample in this example as well) into the Playlist, assign it to a free mixer track and open the sample into the Edison:
Zoom in a bit if necessary, and as this is a vocal sample, select the first word or syllable and drag the selection to a new track in the Playlist using the Drag / copy sample / selection -feature in Edison:
Assign this sample (let's call it word-sample) to a free mixer track and add Fruity Reeverb 2 to it's fx slot. Choose 'Large Hall' from the preset list and use these settings: Decay 4.0 – 6.0 sec, Damping OFF, H.CUT OFF, Predelay 0 ms and set Dry level to around 85%:
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In the Playlist, move the original vocal sample to around bar 5 or further and leave the word-sample at the beginning of the Playlist. Make a selection of two or more bars, open the Mixer, arm the word-sample mixer track for recording and press ALT+R for rendering it to WAV:
Now, double click the re-imported reverbed word-sample to open it's channel settings and REVERSE it. Also, assign it to a new mixer track and delete the word-sample from the Playlist as it's not needed anymore:
Now, line up and position the original vocal sample and the reverse reverbed word-sample to make a smooth transition. Also, add a reverb to the original vocal sample as well to make it blend better with the reverse reverbed word-sample (use pretty much same settings as you did with the word-sample):
Tweak the volume levels via the Mixer to make the samples play nicely together, and you should get something like this:
That's it. Experiment with different settings with the reverb. Also, you can take this to a bit further by adding flanger, phaser, stutter, etc. to the reverse reverb. Use your imagination and you can create killer effects!
Finally, here's a video showing how to create this effect. I have to admit that in the video my sample positioning wasn't perfect, but you'll get the idea of this method for sure.
Here's the FL Studio project files for both methods:
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(Thanks to Warbeats and Audiotuts+ for the inspiration, you guys rock!)